Jan 6 Debate - Alex Jones, Destiny, Glenn Greenwald, Ed & Brian Krassenstein, Darren Beattie

OMG - this Destiny guy doesn't have a clue!!!

IAN CROSSLAND, you are the WORST moderator ever. EVER. THIS DEBATE WAS ABSOLUTE SHIT SHOW. what is the point of you being a moderator if you are not controlling the ORDERLY PROCESS of the debate??? and allocate fair speaking time for each debator??? Not only you didn't control Alex Jones who kept interrupting his own side, you ALLOWED Destiny and Krassenstein TO INTERRUPT AND CONTROL the debate the entire time. You DID NOT LET Glenn and Darren talk - compare speaking minutes to the other guys. you also just let the conversation between alex and destiny go on forever. for like 10 times. wtf are you moderating!?!??! You even didn't let Glenn or Darren FINISH their points in several occasions AND YOU JUMPED TO LET THE OTHER SIDE TO SPEAK forgetting that glenn or darren was in the middle of speaking. AND YOU ALLOWED Destiny to continue to interrupt WITH GISH GALLOP FALLACY while GLENN was speaking! (this is the tactic Destiny uses if he feels the other side makes a good point - he interrupts in hoping the audience switches away from Glenn's points) another Destiny and Krassenstein's tactic: they focus on alex jones (as a punching bag) to avoid addressing points asked by glenn and darren. And you IAN CROSSLAND, you allowed that to happen. Since you didnt control the debate, Destiny and Krassenstein kept only talking to Alex Jones and waste time so glenn and darren cannot speak. AND AT THE END: WTF IAN. WTF YOU LET KRASSENSTEIN TALK ABOUT SANDY HOOK SHIT. WHICH IS IRRELEVANT TO THE DEBATE. DO YOU NOT REALIZE THEY ARE TRYING TO LET MAINSTREAM MEDIA ENTRAP AND CRITICIZE GLENN AND DARREN BY TAGGING ALEX AND SANDY HOOK SHIT?!??!?! YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

how do they listen to these idiots on the left?

ceff2010

1 year ago

Let's just all agree that the last election was funky, and J6 was not an insurrection. No one tried to over throw the government on J6. It's time to stop this nonsense. These men are just looking foolish.

Destiny is a master class on gas lighting.

Of course the lefties consist of Destiny - a guy who groomed a young woman into marrying him and thinking that open relationships are respectful of women, then the two feminized voice guys with the same last name are either "together" or related, still not sure. The one looks like a sickly vegan and the other definitely gets pegged, so it could be either LOL. I could totally tell who the lefties vs righties are. All the men on the right actually look like men, except the guy on the far right with hippie hair, idk who TF he is.

im done with these clowns on the left.

destiny is the most disingenuous piece of shitless going, I'm glad he got cuckrd

Alex Jones a beast

I’m losing interest because of the constant interruptions

This fool Destiny is a hypocrite

Destiny is on prescription drugs. Looks tweaked af

Let’s start this civil war by Alex giving these libtards a hey maker and when they wake up trump is President

Sorry but the ridiculous man-child Destiny, whose head is weirdly large for his body, is WAY WAY WAY out of his league. Why is a Twitch gamer on the same stage with Glenn and Darren and Alex? Are you kidding me. That little fool has been saying whatever would get his dumb gamer kids to send him 3 bucks for the last 10 years. He has zero credibility and zero to add to any real discussion.

yeah destiny is hard to listen to

Destiny's mouth kept moving like someone tweaked out on amphetamines

votes were manipulated in pa.

I love how liberals never allow opposing views. They talk over, cut in, and refuse to listen. Ignorance is a choice.

Total kaos. Just people shouting. Nothing came out of this at all.

How many January 6th protesters have been sitting in jail for 3 years and haven’t seen a judge yet? But Ray Epps gets a speedy trial and only gets 6 months… How does that work?

Darkknight5567

1 year ago

if violence actually comes from the right and this country falls into civil war these people will be completely surprised at how horrible it really is.... I pray that it doesn't come to that...

TostMusic

1 year ago

All we need is Glenn against the rest of these people.

im done with this argument. republicans just need to start sperging out and politically kneecap their opponents. clearly it works for the left

Destinys sponsored by crayola crayons

destiny and the krassenstein brothers are idiots

TostMusic

1 year ago

I agree with Alex but he’s making this discussion unlistenable.

Alex, Let everyone speak… Every time Darren speaks you interrupt.

insurrection presupposes the legitimacy of authority. fuck that.

bms13

1 year ago

Alex needs to smack the krassenstein sisters

Alex Jones sucks all of the oxygen out of the room, and that is not a compliment. The left guys take the words that they are quoting as literal that benefit their argument with no other meaning(s). Wanted to hear Darren & Glenn more, but Alex kept blah blah blahing way too much.

We all need to remember... If they weren't worried Trump is going to walk away with the 24 election... NONE of the propaganda/manipulation/"law-fare" would be necessary... they're afraid of him... Trump/Carlson 2024.

Krass bros & Dipsh!ty have the intellectual honesty of back-alley fleabag pimps from the favelas.

Jan 6th wasnot a insurrection.

DROP THE HAMMER!!!

informant. not agent

hell I want to scream. All idiots except Alex Jones

Darkknight5567

1 year ago

how do these liberals on this panel after the facts have been given keep the narrative going... it's completely beyond belief...

Omg, the Krassen guys & Dest. are SO simple . . . & Alex really needs more self-discipline during an emotional debate

Fedgerick

1 year ago

learn to moderate

Sorry, I can't listen to the Krassensteins - hard pass

Who won? You decide!!

That was fun!! Thank you, ZeroHedge and everyone involved!

Destiny sounds like my brother who is reality challenged. Twisted logic that lives in bizarro world.

Pence was not to derail election. He was to send them back to the state to look at the numbers. these libs are still in diapers

How is it Beattie, Jones, and Greenwald do not understand or are ignorant of the fact you cannot debate with a pathological liar especially those operatives in the Democrat Party communist NWO DS. Have they never watched a congressional hearing where the Democrats on the Dais and the Democrat witnesses being interviewed lie about everything with boldface and get away with it, walking away free from even the slightest of consequence for their many varied deceits. They look like fools themselves while expecting to demonstrate the leftist's dangerous sick evil and stupid ideology. Very frustrating to watch them get frustrated by their inability to pierce the armor of the seasoned pathological liars, this kind of showboating by America First representatives(if indeed that's their subscription) is not helpful nor is it entertaining if that's the goal. Grrrrrr!

A sitting President CAN NOT commit insurrection. As commander in chief, of the Military and having the constitutional authority to call forth the Militia, it is IMPOSSIBLE to rise up in arms AGAINST the government authority, when YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY! A sitting President CAN NOT create an insurrection. Period. Democrats want to frame the argument, in a reality, where Donald Trump was somehow outside of government authority and was rabble rousing. Donald Trump could have committed a coup, however he did not. In contrast Milley and Pelosi DID PERFORM A COUP! Milley and Pelosi illegitimately contrived an emergency, using force and military operators, so Pelosi could suspend the required debate of the Arizona electors. Pelosi and Milley perfomed a coup and thus they and all government agents, assets are guilty of treason.

This is so hard to listen to. The dems lies are downright sickening. They know the truth but purposely try to deceive those who are uninformed. Unfortunately, many believe their lies and will vote for joe "Brandon," biden or whoever replaces him.

Joe Biden as President just means Bill Ayers and Obama get to keep destroying the nation for four more years. 2017 Obama moved to a "command center" three blocks from the Whitehouse rather than peacefully transferring all power to the new President Trump. This was the only insurrection.

Hardwood69

1 year ago

I thought this was great, we need more of it. ALex was spot on, most folks think he was just talking over, but they provoked it out of him and lets face it, it was probably pinned up in him for years

Destiny is following the Ben Shapiro model. Talk at 3x speed, don't explain anything, insist that any objection is stupid and irrelevant. "I'm Destiny, and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living..." That's the only whole unbiased truth I've heard the entire debate. He should go back to cleaning carpets for a living.

The 3 leftist all sound the same, low testosterone.

I was disappointed to say the least. Darren or Glenn barely got to speak and the lefties kept posing remarks to Alex, who interrupted everyone, for which I fault the so-called moderator. Lefties got to speak constantly and Darren and Glenn were both cut off from responding to many of their incorrect positions. All in all, I want a redo, with different moderator who will call them on interruptions and fair time constraints, and maybe with Julie Kelly in stead of Alex, who has reported much of what we know of the truthful happenings on Jan6.

They need to make them stay on topic!!

emilyottsrocks

1 year ago

IVE SEEN IT MYSELF

Mary8001

1 year ago

What about 3000 mules

Mary8001

1 year ago

Does anybody care about how much all of these lies I have caused us all of these Russian collusion and all of these investigations it’s like they were picking your pockets

the civil war was a sucession... rebellion maybe. but was it really an insurrection?

who the hell thought it's a good idea to have Alex Jones try to debate anything but a paper bag?

I’ll pay top dollar to see what destiny wrote on that pad this whole time. I know he’s gotta be running low on ink, and space on that page. He ain’t flipped it once.

I literally couldn't watch this

Flynn and company were a part of this Jan 5 coup. Obvi Babbit wasn't killed. Watch WOOZ NEWS "The Capital Shooting in 20 mins or less".

Fedgerick

1 year ago

I loved Alex until this. unhinged.

Just look at the beta males on the left.

This was not a debate. Circus!

Not one of these guys on our side will flat out say the truth that the election was stolen which legitimizes ANYTHING up to and including if he had called in the military and refused to leave.

BlackDingo

1 year ago

if Trump wins can we deport Destiny?

TheTech76

1 year ago

You need to control this crap Ian. You are getting squeezed from your own debate

TheTech76

1 year ago

Why is the j5coittee not being charged with treason? I’ve seen the footage, NOTHING THEY TOLD THE PUBLIC IS YEUE

Darkknight5567

1 year ago

Destiny is a complete brainwashed cuckold... who's been gaslighting this whole time ... what a moron

Destiny is a fucking idiot

Ray Epps worked for the Feds, Alex is absolutely right along with Glen and Darren.

I don't know the guys on the left but I could tell they were lefties right away from the eyes and body shape. You know what I mean.

This isn't a debate about left vs right, it's an argument about an overreaching government vs citizens of the United States. It's honestly sickening to hear some of these guys side with the government because of their political affiliation.

I notice while watching that the only journalists that have been massively censored and vilified by CIA controlled MSM disinformation programming are defending Trump while those attacking him have been given free reign by the security state controlled MSM to spout their disinformation without interference. Glenn Greenwald and Darren Beattie have made the Krassenstein brothers look like gullible Biden cheerleaders willing to swallow whatever scenario the deep state disinformation specialists release, and they can be paid to reproduce, look like the gullible fools they truly are. Whether knowingly or unknowingly they are lying to Americans who are waking up to the staging of January 6th and the sham media circus that followed with the January 6th "trial" used to vilify and persecute 80% of America.

HitSQuad17

1 year ago

"destiney" ? what a clowny name

Destiny and the Krassenstiens were bad, but M A N Ian was SO much worse. Absolutely no control over the discourse, and an active detriment to the conversation. Zerohedge should've known this, considering that's what he CONSTANTLY DOES THIS ON EVERY EPISODE OF TIMCAST. By FAR the worst part of everything he is part of. DO us all a favor and either start working behind the scenes or BE QUIET Ian.

breandan

1 year ago

I agree that Ian makes a terrible moderator but who could think otherwise? He can't moderate himself and is a rambling mess normally. How could he hope to moderate other humans, even regular, centrist humans, let alone partisans known for their off the wall behavior?

why would the fbi have you infiltrate a group and be an informant but not expect you to warn them of a supposed insurrection?

ALL I WOULD SAY "DEEP THROAT".

irrelevant question

so what. there is now. there's no weapons on jan. 6th

Alex stupid. ahahahahaha.

Just like our government - 5 jews, 1 goyim

chaos

it's funny how courts are rigged now, but when black people say it 😂😂😂😂

the dude with a bread arguing with Alex is a jack ass

have to leave those three soy boys are screwed up

Krassepstein —He’s got a speech impediment and sounds totally femmy

Thank you for hosting this debate! Please do more.

Do the Krassensteins huff helium off camera every 10 seconds?

TheTech76

1 year ago

Still waiting for Alex to implement a left hook for the tool on his right

TheTech76

1 year ago

Destiny you said ck! Don’t have him back ian

Why is this on auto play?

Robert Barnes should have been part of this debate

Who are the men who climbed the wall to the terrace with their bare hands? Spider men?

The single biggest takeaway I got from J6 is that, if a few hundred unarmed people were a hair's breadth away from overthrowing the government, then a few hundred/thousand armed people, motivated by the tyranny and subversion of the Biden regime will be unstoppable in their goal. What will it take to light that powder keg? A martyr. Maybe a mass murder of supporters at a rally or other event. And it's totally within reason to think the Democrat's street muscle, Antifa and BLM, will do exactly that.

GetKraken

1 year ago

Why are so many influencers legitimizing the Krassensteins who are not journalists and are better known as scammers. If you insist on them, how about only inviting one of them? They always tag-team the others which gives them an advantage. I call BS on your list and that includes drama queens Destiny and AJ. Ian sucked as moderator, he was practically useless.

Alex Jones totally ruined this debate, if you allowed Darren to go off the entire time people's minds could've been changed.

is jones a fed? he totally rail roaded this conversation from anything meaningful

Alittlemore2theright

1 year ago

It's hilarious that Destiny tells Alex Jones to "tether himself to reality" when he's a fake intellectual and argues just about everything from a bad faith position. I don't understand why anyone takes this dude seriously.

SwabbyMcSweetie

1 year ago

Ian, you did a great job

SwabbyMcSweetie

1 year ago

Glen Greenwald was the highlight of the night.

THE DISCUSSION OF J6 WAS AT TIMES A CACOPHONY OF RAMBLING GIBBERISH.

lmao! the brothers cuckensteins and the polygamous omniliberal who just lost his wife to a Crossdressing homosexual! These people haven't been on the right side of any issue ever! (well... destiny was right on the Rittenhouse self-defense but that's about it)

Now ik why the brothers have the word *ss in their last name. When you've got ur head up ur *ss as much as they do, I'm sure it was difficult to even get a DMV photo for their ID. Talk abt the gaslit duo.

The Krassensteins are the epitome of ignorant keyboard jockeys. They have to be kidding. I love you, Ian and Glenn but these two make it a big old shit show.

It's Donald Trump's right to run for President. Unless he is convicted of a crime that can result in deprivation of those rights, he cannot be deprived of those rights. Welcome to America. Where are you from, you blue-haired idiot?

Ray Epps was the one who said they were there to storm the Capitol it's on tape! Watch the Lara Logan series on Ray Epps involvement it's fantastic!👍🙏🏼🇺🇸

Man that "f"ed up Peter Dinklage clone is a real piece of work!🤬🤣🤣🤣

🤣🤣🤣"Destiny"! That's a "tween" girls name!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Alittlemore2theright

1 year ago

Yo, there has never been a more punchable face in all of American history. Destiny is a bitch made for real.

And what's up with the emaciated hippie red haired "Weird Al"! Screaming to stop when Alex Jones gets a good point going! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Alittlemore2theright

1 year ago

It's amazing to me that out of all the debaters Glenn Greenwald is the most reasonable person, and he also turns out to be completely correct. Destiny is a disgrace; he has to know he's lying, or he actually is that dumb.

What's the fucking point of this shit other than giving morons air time?

There were FEDS in the crowd inciting violence. That automatically disqualifies it from being an insurrection. Should have started and ended with that.

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These Lefties are absolute nutjobs.

why is Destiny on the panel? isn't his only claim to fame that he let's his wife bang other dudes and she finally left him for another dude?

Glenn Greenwald, as usual, was the most reasonable and honest participant. Alex Jones has a lot of good points, which he conveys in a really ineffective way. Destiny, as usual, es simply playing word games and being sneaky and smug.

Did anyone else notice that almost every assertion made by Destiny was uncited / unsubstantiated? Debate 101: ipse dixit (it is so because you say its so) is a dead end. Glenn and Darren almost always cited a source or offered detail substantiation. What are the odds that "undecided" voters noticed that?

it's very telling that the blue side keeps saying "it was Trump appointed judges that sentenced them" because they cannot imagine a judge who is not absolutely loyal to their stated side lol they know that leftist judges are flagrantly biased and cannot imagine a world where the right does the same thing lol

I love so much how Alex's energy turns every debate he's in with someone he disagrees with into the WWE of politics

Agreed. The moderator - and this is Ian Crossland's Rumble page , so you sir - did not moderate effectively. The format was terrible and all blame falls squarely on Zero Hedge's poor planning. Nice idea guys at Zero Hedge and many kudos for doing this, it is long overdue and sorely needed. Watch the Munk debates for comparison on how to do this properly, and have a truly civil debate, this is an old problem that has long been solved.

Hey @zerohedge, I am WAY less likely to subscribe. Absolutely horrible job by moderator. Jone never should have been invited. It’s clear you had a agenda inviting him.

This was a very interesting debate and the process needs to continue. more videos were needed to support the truth. The left only knows what the mainstream media told them and what the DC judges didn’t do in the courts, they had DC jurors with no chance to provide evidence for the people now in jail. January 6th was a battle of standing up to an election that was stolen with proof of election fraud and the government making sure they removed the president who was taking the deep state control away. In 2016 President Trump speech stated that he was shifting the government control back to the people and he was fulfilling that promise.

destiny makes my skin crawl.

Ad hominem doesn’t change minds, no matter who does it. It’s not a persuasive argument for a debate. I care about the issues, not people’s quirks. Call me a loser (again, ad hominem). I’d rather hear the facts of J6 so minds may change in the court of public opinion and these political prisoners get out of jail. That debate needed someone like Robert Barnes, who would have never let the ‘left side’ get away with some of the things they said about what had been tried in the courts, etc. Another debate with Julie Kelly, Robert Barnes, and Joe Hoft would bring up lots of irrefutable facts and details. Like when the left said what Pence was being asked to do had never been done before. And that Trump’s claims of election fraud had been tried in the courts. Also, no one brought up the election lawsuit by Paxton and other state attorney generals that the courts wouldn’t take. Or the left’s smear of the alternate electors, as if that was illegal. They also glossed over Darren Beattie’s point about the why McCarthy didn’t appoint other Republicans to the sham J6 Committee, like it’s no big deal what Pelosi did, denying Republicans the right to choose whoever they wanted. They even had the nerve to say it was because Jordan and Banks were “under investigation”, like it’s no big deal that they were under investigation. I could go on and on…

Why the f is this vid so long

I wish when Destiny was asking about "what ifs" that someone would have said ... what if in the Bush Gore election, no court would have taken up the case and all the courts refused to take a serious look at the evidence presented ... what would Gore have done? He was fortunate enough that the courts did their job and took on the case and allowed a thorough review of the evidence. But if every court had shut them down and said they didn't have standing and ignored the thousands of affidavits .... what would Gore and the Democrats have done? Would they have transferred the power peacefully as President Trump did? Destiny seems to forget or ignore the fact that questioning the integrity of an election is an important part of maintaining democracy and the people's trust in elections. It is not an attempted coup to question the result, especially one with so many extraordinary circumstances (covered windows/massive mail-ins/surveillance showing quetionable behavior/vote counts stopping and then there being a massive and sudden change when it resumes hours later). Why did no one ask him why - after Jan 6th - Congress went back made changes to the very legislation that Trump's lawyers were arguing actually gave the VP the right and power to reject electors and send them back for examination? Why didn't someone clarify that Pence was not asked to hand the election to Trump ....he was asked to send suspect electors back to the states for review before being counted officially. I wish he had been asked another "what if" ... what if the Democrats truly believed that the election was rigged or stolen through manipulation/cheating ...what would they do? Would they try to get a 10 day Senate review? Would they just suck it up and transfer power? What do they think is a reasonable response to what 74 million people in this country as an unfair election result?

what a shit show. lol

I had difficulty with this debate. Alex Jones was too dominating and at times bombastic. He like his opponents tended to get off topic. There were two smart and knowledgeable people on the panel. Darren hardly got a chance to speak and Glenn was cut off several times. Destiny was galling and made claims that were not substantiated by fact. He and his co-part displayed an ignorance of history. The moderator was amateurish. I would prefer to see Glenn and Darren debate two other more qualified people on this topic with an accomplished or effective moderator.

Krassensteins? Oh my lord. 2 idiots. Hard pass.

Destiny is playing chess with drunk coked out Alex.

ADRIANOVALENTINOAUSTRALIA

1 year ago

DESTINY & KRASSENSTEIN BROTHERS ARE SUCH A MORONS.... THESE THREE ON THE LEFT JUST RAMBLE AND BABBLE ABOUT BS..🫵

Someone opened the capitol doors from within. Most of those who entered did so peacefully, walked through the capitol peacefully. Thankfully. If this had been a truly violent crowd the capitol police would have been flattened. Capitol Police and Pelosi get an F for security, regardless. The more information that comes out, the more Jan 6 looks like a setup. Release all the video so everyone can know the truth - whatever the truth is. Let's get a properly structured bipartisan Jan 6 committee to do a real investigation. One that won't delete the interview videos and "lose" documents.

Is this a 24 hour debate? Wtf

After watching this debate, which Destiny was quite annoying in, I listened to his debate w Ben Shapiro, a matchup I’d hoped for, on Lex Friedman pod. He was much better there, brought a up points I was unfamiliar with and very respectful. No moderation inference was apparent, though editing…why the hostile tone with Glenn? Perhaps I need to watch their first debate for context?

Ian is terrible

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Ron Klain, advisor to Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden, maintains to this day that the 2000 election was stolen by George W. Bush. In response to a Twitter Vox poll showing that 68% of Americans believe that US elections are rigged, Ron Klain wrote, “That’s because they are.”

Ian Crossland was a well meaning but incompetent co host on Timcast too. He talks aithoritively about concepts and principles, but he can’t apply them consistently or rigorously in practice. Alex Jones is not a good debater, but he can hold his own reasonably well in a one-to-one, but only if he keeps his emotions in check. However, as menticide has commented, Ian allowed both Destiny and the Krassensteins to needle and provoke Alex and jump from subject to subject, even introducing Sandy Hook. Glenn Greenwald and Darren Beattie were the real heavy hitters with the knowledge and debate experience to corner Destiny and the Krassensteins, but Ian and Alex fucked it. Really really really disappointing. Ian and Alex handed a win to the opposition.

but wouldn't be considered an attempted coup when rioters pose a threat to the president of the United States, that secret service agents felt the need to rush Trump to a White House bunker?

come on let's get over destiny this m*********** is a f**** piece of s*** liberal that knows nothing about anything in our economy at all this guy lives off his parents or off the funds of stupid people that fund his stupid ass yeah this guy's a fool and he needs a bullet to the head

how funny Trump supporters didn't burn down the capital they didn't burn anything they didn't f****** break everything up they didn't do anything this is a lie but I'll tell you what liberals f****** sent out their f****** mast f****** pieces of s*** like destiny and f****** just tore up cities

so let's be real a real insurrection would have happened to all over the country rather than just up in Washington DC it would have happened everywhere so f*** this clown show